I spent the summer travelling around the country, something I'd never done before. First, I worked in a… a in Rojay Sportswear, folding t-shirts and mailing them to various department stores around the country to earn a little bit of money. And then with two friends, I drove around the West, which I'd never seen. That was marvellous. And in September I went to MIT, and after a week in a depressing boarding house I was admitted to the graduate house, the graduate dormitory, and I found that there were lots and lots of Ivy League people there. And... and lots... I had lots of friends, lots of people I already knew, lots of splendid people that I hadn't known but got to know soon, and Viki [Victor Weisskopf] was wonderful and the whole thing was a very positive experience, despite the fact that the atmosphere was a little grubby.

[Q] How many incoming graduate students were there?

Oh, I don't know. I have no idea.

[Q] And you made obviously very close friends during that period, I mean, are there any names that we can associate with that period?

Well, Bob Noyce was a fellow student. I didn't see much of him much later, but when we were graduate students and just afterwards we saw quite a bit of each other. We walked up Mount Katahdin together, for example, and things of that kind. In later years, I didn't see him very much until finally he came to the Santa Fe Institute, and we resumed our acquaintance and then unfortunately he died.