While I was making the 30 and more handmade watches, I was also working on prototype watches of my own design in the hope that I could persuade someone to take up the design of the co-axial and I wasn't very much encouraged by what happened. For example, I first went to Switzerland with drawings and I went to the biggest escapement company in Switzerland... in the world, and showed them my drawings and they said you know... well, here is a problem and there is a problem and this isn't right and that's not going to do... and they clearly weren't very interested. But the works foreman was interested and he said oh yes, he liked it very much and if I gave him an order for several million he'd do it. So that wasn't any good to me and so I went home and I made a watch with the escapement in, thinking that that might persuade him to take a more practical interest in it. And so I took this watch, which was quite a large watch, but then I was interested in precision timekeeping, I wasn't interested in little flat thin luxury watches, I was interested in proper watches, like the watch they used on the moon, that kind of thing. And so my watch was bulky like those moon watches... original movement, and they said no, no, no... well you know that's... I beg your pardon, I made a pocket watch before that. Yes, I made a pocket watch and took that, and they said that they didn't make pocket watches, they made wristwatches. So I went and made the wristwatch and took it back and they said well you know, we don't make thick watches we make thin watches. And so I gave up and started looking further afield and then I got involved with Patek Phillipe. And Philippe Stern, the proprietor of Patek Phillipe, for whom I have a great admiration, he's a marvellous businessman and very astute in horology, he was interested and he wanted his men to do it but they more or less didn't try very hard and so it failed.