By this time Francis had become extremely skilled at exacting space from various departments. Our phage lab was in the old museum in… in zoology, which had a whale in it at one time. We borrowed the space from the professor of zoology. It was a wonderful lab, because it had… it was just a… like a corridor with a row of windows, and all the people you could be… it was a lab that always loved because I'm a… I'm a mad hatter in the sense of what I like is to have a bench and then I make… do an experiment here, and then move on to the next place, do another experiment and have someone clean it up behind me – just circulate. What was so interesting is that we had a lot of people working with us and we used to watch the people walking by, you know, and you could say to people, 'Oh, you see… you see that man, that's Professor Dirac, you see'. Once there was in the… there was a restaurant here at the Friar House, because this is a… this is another uncanny feeling of being in this part, and we looked in and there was a tea room and there was a man sitting there with a elderly lady, and I said to this friend… I said, 'Just have a look in that room, in… in the tea room; there are two people who changed the world'.

[Q] Who was it?

It was Otto Frisch and his aunt, Lise Meitner, sitting there.