I set up in a corner of the house- there were- there were lots of corners, actually- what I called my lab. And it had an old microscope in it, and the seashore was what interested me. I was collecting things. I was after little hydroids, God, what are they, ophelia in which you have stalks of hydroids growing out of. You can see them waving their tentacles and there're lots of gamarus and other shrimps. I suppose I had a fair idea of, you know, the laminarial belt at the bottom and the fucus built up above it. I liked all that. Were your brothers involved in any of these things? Was there anyone teaching you? That's a good question. By example. Murdoch was into birds. He was a very competent field ornithologist. My older brother, Danny, was starting to do the things which medical students do. He had- I remember him dissecting a dogfish which started as a nice fresh dogfish and it got more and more stinky as the time passed.