I… I thought Himmler, who was… he was the worst fuddy-duddy that ever lived. I mean, you know, he had everybody's… he had the whole continent scared blue. As a matter of fact it say… it says in the book he had them shitting pink, and… and he did. I mean, you know, he killed all those people, and… and yet he was always running round: 'What to do, what should we do about this or that', and… and became very indecisive. He tried very hard to make himself a strong, tough, you know, Nazi, but he… at heart he… he was anything else. He... he went to one of the executions that he had ordered and threw up, became sick at his stomach, you know, so… and… and he also had sort of very obvious codes that he would talk in, but everybody would have understood them. He called the banker — what the hell was his name —, I can't… the… the man who… who sort of got the… got the — I'm not thinking straight this morning — he got the money back on the up and up. He had big moustache. He always said, ’Now the walrus said’, well everybody knew who the… who he was talking about.

So anyway, what I did was: I will make… I... I will make a verse form, which I will call the platoon, and it's on graph paper and in every line there will be 30 letters and spaces, and then down the left hand margin it’ll be an alphabet acrostic, the first line begins with A, the second line begins with B, the second line be… and in other words it's a very rigid verse form that has no music, and there are two people in… in the cycle who have no music whatsoever in their voices. I mean he's one, the other is Speer, and… and to me this means a kind of… oh, mental sterility, and a… and a real lack of something emotional in their… in their makeup that their music… that there is no music to how they talk.