So she married Goebbels. I mean, she… she was just a pattern of infidelity. Meantime of course he was… he was the most unfaithful. I mean he was the head of things like movie making and so forth, so he kept a casting couch. He laid all the… all the actresses, and incidentally — odd, strange — they all report that he was a most thoughtful and generous lover. But you know… you know, he was a… he was a little man — crippled — and… and so he looked very funny alongside all of those big macho hunks. She was willing to put up with that until he fell in love with a Czech actress named Lida Baarova. She died within the last six months, I believe, and she was still just extravagantly beautiful. She… you just can't imagine how anybody can be 90 and still look that wonderful.

Anyway, they fell deeply in love. This wasn't just a… a you know, lay and get out of here business, they… they were like American teenagers. When he was working late at the office at night, he would leave the telephone open… his telephone off the hook and she, hers, they would make a phone call and then leave the phone so they could hear each other breathe. Can you imagine Joseph Goebbels being that sentimental? It's just incredible. That his wife would not put up with! And they were going to get married. She in the mean… in the meantime had become attracted to… to an army officer named Karl Hanke, who was a close friend of Speer's, and Speer also was attracted to her, although I… I have no idea whether anything happened there. He was… he was going to go with Lida Baarova, she was going… Hitler came in and said: 'No, you will be a proper Nazi family! This will not happen! You are an example to the… to the public, cut it out!' And they cut it out. Lida Baarova was sent back to Czechoslovakia, Hanke I think became… yeah, he was Gauleiter of Breslau, and in the last days in the bunker, they sat toge… rocking together holding hands like a happily married old couple.

I mean that the paradoxes are just so… meantime Hanke, if I could just —this… this doesn't come into… into my book anywhere — but he… he was the Gauleiter of Breslau looking after… as the Russians came in he was about to surrender, leave the… an open city and surrender it to save the city —- the man who had been Gauleiter of the city — Hanke came in, saw this, forbid it, and had his friend — the mayor — hanged in public. Then he himself, when the Russians got closer, flew out, saved himself.