I'm a bit ashamed to say that most of it passed over my head because I was a student. I mean what happened was the act I think was '46 and... what do you call it when an act comes into, enacted or whatever the phrase is, the parliamentary phrase? It was '48, and then I was a clinical student, a year from qualifying and I think you have other concerns at that stage of your life. But I do, I do recognise from talking to other people I did... I'll tell you something not from my experience, I did a few of these things, not video, but sound recordings of even older than I ex-St George's doctors for this sort of archive and porters and patients and what not, and a GP who'd become an anaesthetist told me about working in Edinburgh when the act started. He was a GP at that time and he really brought it home to me; patients were paying and he'd see some ill child and he'd go the following day and pretend he was just happening to be in that district and, you know, 'I'm just passing just to say to the mother I'm not asking for money and I just thought, oh well, as I'm passing I'll look at Willy' and he... said what a, you know, huge thing. And, as I think I mentioned, before the upping of the status in staffing of the district general hospitals. I mean we grumble about them, I know, but they're serious places with the main types of medicine and surgery catered for now and they weren't. And, no... I mean, most of my life was within the health service so I can't actually say I, I personally saw it hugely when it was. It was...

[Q] When, when you started talking about yours... the... the scientists you read you said they had a vaguely left-wing agenda, I think, most of them. Would you say that you had a particular... you made a political choice in... terms of for yourself or...

Not in an... I mean I've always been on the left side of the spectrum, but never an activist really and, and no, no, I've not been actively engaged.