Well, I think it was partly accident because in...infectious disease, I think I mentioned, gastroenteritis could be any dashed thing... label. I always used to say to students don't say gastroenteritis, say: diarrhoea, or diarrhoea and vomiting, because then it stands you back from committing yourself to a particular line of diagnosis. I mean, a rather pompous thing to say but, I mean, I think it was useful to say it in that way. And we had a huge number of referrals, for example, fever, you know, what is it? And, you know, as you can see, I'm very interested in the analysis of difficult illness, the actual trying to follow a pathway which gets you to the right place without, without damaging the patient in the process, and I think it was that rather. I was compelled to stay as a generalist but, I mean, obviously, there were more and more things I didn't understand and would refer to somebody else.

[Q] Yes. But I suppose what comes across is also that, that you refused not to see the person sitting there?

Yeah, I suppose that's right, yeah.

[Q] Whereas I think a lot of people already reduce a case to... I mean, having been at the other end of it, becoming... starting... walking through the door and being a person and then sitting down and suddenly becoming a case, you've already lost a lot of yourself.

Yes.

[Q] And you're not a case, you're a person, but of course you have to be a case in order to, to link in with other cases and that, that's...

Yes, that's right. Actually you're quite right. For that reason I don't like the word 'case'. You know, you're using it to show what it means, but I tend to jib and shudder a bit because it exactly does that: takes you away. The very process of getting into a hospital, that awful escalator, you're in on this thing. I mean, I know in my own psychology I would go to endless lengths to deny that I was getting ill in some way. Once I'd done it I would say, okay, there it is, get on with it and I'd be okay then about, you know, having an operation or, or doing... but I'd certainly try and avoid getting on the escalator if I could.