Well, I remember being somewhat puzzled- I don't know just when that began- that my father was, was just a postal clerk because I knew him to, to be a very sensitive person and, I felt much more capable than the kind of demands that were limited as to- with that kind of a job. As I got to know things better I realized that because he was brought up in an entirely Irish neighborhood, in the only Jewish family- his friends were all Irish and amongst the Irish the eventual job is with the Civil Service whether it's as a fireman, a policeman, a postal clerk- and so that, I think, is how he became a postal clerk. But, but he always had such a love for music that when I watched him listening to good music, I received, I think, as best as one could, a music appreciation course and for the rest of my life, by having watched him and his expression as he listened to the music, you know, I've gotten to know and to film all kinds of music.