I should- I should talk about how I started out in photography and then lead up to the first film and so forth. When I was a child, I couldn't afford a camera except that somehow I heard that you could buy a brand new camera in a hardware store around the corner for 35 cents. Now how I got 35 cents is- I don't know because that was a lot of money too. But I bought the camera and started taking pictures with this tiny camera that used Univex 00 Film which had to be extremely inexpensive as well, even for- even for that time. And- What did you take pictures of? Do you remember? I took family pictures. I must have them somewhere. That's- I think almost all- everything was just family pictures. And then at some point, I think I was in High School by that time, a distant relative offered me a much much more sophisticated camera for 16 dollars. And somehow- I used to around washing peoples' windows and I'd earn 50 cents if I shoveled somebody's garageway- of snow. I had enough so that I could buy the camera and I took pictures with that. And I- and I- with that kind of equipment I then developed my own pictures.