Obviously I liked taking pictures but I had, maybe very unrealistic but certainly a very strong urge to do something great, and still photography didn't seem to me to have that kind of aspirational quality to it. But I- I liked it very much. And when I was 12, I think, I was very earnestly studying, you know, in the little public library in Brookline Massachusetts when I got kind of bored and I proceeded to walk around looking at books on the shelves. And I came across this title that intrigued me. The title was "Architects of Ideas: The Great Theorists of Mankind". And it was, I discovered, written in such a way that a layman could understand who these theorists were and what their theories were. So I opened the book and I ran across some sixteen names, each one a chapter devoted to that person- names that I'd never heard before but as I discovered their stories I wanted to be one of them. One of them was Copernicus; there was Plato; there was Bruno; Galileo; Freud; Marx; Pasteur; Boas, who was the originator of the science of Anthropology; Lavoisier who invented chemistry in the 18th century, I believe. Sixteen of these people. Darwin, Charles Darwin. I'd never heard of him but he had this interesting theory of evolution, which defied the church. The writer was somewhat left wing which I'm sure was to influence me.