All three of us, Schreffler, Snell... well four of us in that case... Schreffler, Snell, Stimpfling and I who had all these recombinant strains, H2 recombinants and other strains, were freely distributing. Whoever asked, got it. Years later when the monoclonal antibodies were... the method of producing monoclonal antibodies was discovered, there were some laboratories who were producing also H2 monoclonal antibodies. And I... at the beginning I didn't want to get involved in producing my own... to set up and producing my own monoclonal antibodies. So I asked these people would you please send us some? We want to do this and this and this. 'No, I cannot send it. We are doing already this experiments'... it was not true, they were not. Or that, 'We need everything that we... and you can... but we are starting a company or... or that will be selling this and you can buy them from them'.

Now, that made me mad... very mad as you can imagine. And I wrote an essay that I published in Immunogenetics. Remind me Immunogenetics... I should say something about Immunogenetics. Stupidly I called it 'The New Shylocks'. But it was... I don't want to make a big story out of it. It was... well the reason I called it... you know Shylock for me was always a person from the literature. I never it associated it with anything. I was not even... that sounds incredible, but I was never interested in Semitism, anti-Semitism or this issue. I mean I considered this silly that if somebody is anti-Semitic or any racist is... I just, you know so he's stupid. But it was interpreted as being anti-Semitic and well there was a big uproar against it. And the message that I originally intended to pass through, which was, I mean, you got from us, you should return us the same favour, was lost. And well I got into a lot of trouble because of that. I don't want to go into any further details. But I think the reaction was... well it was shocking to me, unexpected, unaware of it, and it was not fair. I think it was an exaggerated response that was simply out of place.