We did some studies then in collaboration with Naoyuki Takahata in Japan, and Yoko Satta at Hayama in Japan in which we calculated what number of individuals would be needed and we came to the conclusion that the number would be at least 10,000 individuals, so not a single, not a few individuals from whom the human species arose, but at least 10,000 individuals, so a very sizeable population. So the founding population of the human species would be a large population, not a small population that everybody seemed to believe at that time. We then extended these studies... or before I go to this extension, perhaps I should say... and it would be an illustration what is happening in science to this day, people still refer and in the press and in the media particularly, they talk about mitochondrial Eve, they talk about Eve and they talk about daughters of Eve.  There have been books written by scientists about daughters of Eve and they all make the impression... the wrong impression that there was a tremendous reduction in the population size in the origin of the human species which led then to the rise of modern humans. This is all nonsense. This is simply not true and it's either deliberate or ignorant misunderstanding of how the hypothesis of diversification... emergence... the diversification of the different molecules in the human genome.