He's had trouble here with the cutting. He's had trouble here when he's cut here; it's splattered, and it hasn't worked, so he rejected this "Head of Oculus", and it was in among his junk. I saw it: ‘The "Head of Oculus"! Oh, I'll have that'. So I... I have it and I... I paid for it, stuck it on the base... not a real David Smith. But it didn't... it was a little different from the English stuff, and there were a few things that... it didn't really... it didn't really mean anything to me, especially, that it was... that it was David's.

[Q] So when you were working with the steel it wasn't like you were working with the ghost or the memory of something?

No, no.

[Q] It's just stuff?

Just stuff. The interesting thing was that some of the... of the angle irons were much thinner than we get in England and that's the sort of thing. It wasn't really... I don't know, just stuff. But I did say it was David's, you know. I did sort of... but no, no.