At that point the department, the hospital was relatively small as compared with the other Harvard teaching hospitals. The department had very little in the way of research activity. There was Hermann Blumgart's work in cardiology and the work of a few others of his colleagues, but the opportunity to, to build that department was a great one and simultaneously... simultaneously the other departments in the hospital were being vacated, incumbents were retiring, so it presented an opportunity to have a voice in the leadership of the entire institution, and it was at that point that I approached a couple of the people whom I knew slightly who had departments that I admired greatly. One was Robert Loeb at... at Columbia Presbyterian, the other was Walter Bauer at the Mass General in Boston, both offered me encouragement. I asked both for suggestions of people I might recruit. Bob Loeb said, 'If I were you, I would look to Irv Goldberg. He's a man that has been with me for several years on my house staff, went from there to Rockefeller University to take a PhD with Fritz Lipman, and then went to the University of Chicago where he has been just a year or two'. So, I recruit Irv, and together we... we built the Department of Medicine at, at Beth Israel. One of the people who had been there, Dick Nesson, was somebody I came to know well during my days there, and I engaged him as my... as the person who would help develop the... the medical service and clinical teaching programs and he was extremely capable in that realm.

So, we recruited a group of people who had science backgrounds and strong clinical backgrounds, and it was a climate that was just marvellous. All of these people considered themselves physicians first, their caring for patients was of the highest degree. They considered themselves teachers. The service soon became the most sought after by Harvard medical students for residency training and it became a place where very interesting research was carried on. So, it, it was really an extremely attractive setting in all of these ways. The patients first, teaching and research second.