I had to go through a whole process of still doing art, using collage and painting it, which I couldn’t get out of, until my friend said: ’Why do you have to cut it up?’ Freedom. That's it. Simple as that. It wasn't simple. You need the right person at the right time. And I was very, very lucky to have had that piece of advice, because I don’t think Vic... Vic was noticing. He was...had too many problems of his own. And... but Juão noticed, and helped me. Really helped me. And then slowly, when I began to draw again, that was okay. That, you know, just one thing led to another, led to another, and so on. So drawing’s always been a kind of line out of... out of trouble, really. One hopes. Oh my God. But I never show those pictures. Will never show them. It's so embarrassing. I also did some sculptures; do you know? I did dolls. Dolls. Not proper dolls. I did a pregnant princess, which is a... a grotesque girl with an enormous tummy. And I had a show of them in Lisbon in my gallery. And when my dealer was carrying this... this incredible horror, a woman went by and looked at it and crossed herself. She was so horrified by what she’d seen she thought it was real. And I did the one... I did... they were all sewn, in a machine, and sewn, did all sorts of creatures. And... and showed them. But I was deeply embarrassed afterwards. I would never... never show them again. I saw one the other day. It wasn’t as bad as all that, actually, but I know, particularly as now I do these things. So there is a connection somewhere. One doesn’t change that much, really.