We used to talk about him and why he suffered so much. And I said, 'But don't you just… can't you just feel, you know, when you go to bed into a nice warm bed, it's a lovely feeling, or you look out of the window and it's a sunny day, it's nice. You know, or I'm eating a peach, it's delicious'. And he said, 'Do you really? Do you… do you actually get enough out of, can you feel enough to feel life's worth living from that sort of thing?' And I said, 'Yes, I can'. And he said, 'I can't'. He lacked what I felt was… what people used to call in the old days 'animal spirits'. He just hadn't got that to buoy him up.

[Q] But you have?

I have, yes.

[Q] What are animal spirits?

Well, it's just that one's got the sort of resilience or ability to enjoy life. On the whole, one likes life, rather than not liking it. And on the whole, Vidiadhar doesn't like life.