When I made the move, when I decided to go with JPT, I did realise what their game plan was going to be. When they came in The Atlas of Science was jus being launched more or less as Research Reviews. Sandy Grimwade was the editor and we were getting these reviews written. And if we had held out for 5 years I think it would have been a very useful, profitable set of review articles that would be issued based on the concept that we'd evolved of identifying the emerging fields and disciplines of science through co-citation analysis. Well, naturally in the first year or two... it wasn’t an instant success, nor was SCI. If they had been here when the SCI started they would have killed it before it got off the ground. So, they killed that product as they then killed The Scientist. In the case of The Scientist they may have made a wise financial decision, but that was an entirely different kind of a story, because of the difficulty we had that time when we had that FBI problem with the guy that planted the... was it Microsoft stuff where they said?

Word Perfect.

Word Perfect? I didn’t even know how to use this stuff! I probably paid the largest price for Word Perfect than anybody in the world just to get them off our backs. So anyhow, The Atlas of Science, now you hear people talking about it like it’s a natural thing to do, but... especially when I saw the work that they were doing down at Oak Ridge on it with this huge mapping thing. You ought to go down there and see that sometime, that control, command and control map... unbelievable. That thing... it’s bigger than this wall, huge thing, I don’t suppose the average user is going to be able to afford that, even with HD TV. it’s probably like a 30 foot HD TV screen. But I guess people buy them. They have them outside the tennis matches, they have these huge screens, I don’t know if they are HD, but they have them.