For me, drawing, for me, drawing was natural. For me, athletics was natural. There was no effort, you know? The coach said, 'Why don't you run a little faster'? I said, 'Coach, I'm winning'. You know? 'I don't have to run any faster, I'm winning.' You know? He was a nice person and he was also, I don't know what he was teaching but that time, maybe even today, they can coach and they have a class, they teach some class. And it's just part and parcel, you know? But the geometry teacher at Evanston High, he wanted desperately for me to go to his… his university that he graduate from and his son was graduating that year. But [U]SC and UCLA, they have such a big name, you know, in that world, that I had to get on a bus. It took about three or four days on a bus to come to Los Angeles. I remember I arrived in Los Angeles after three days on the bus, and my pants, they came all the way up here because of the way you sit and you eventually get all messy and everything down there is up here. But I wanted to come here because of the… really because of the athletics, what brought me to Southern California. And I can say, right now, that everything turned out to be just right. Because if I'd gone to the university that this teacher of mine wanted to go, I don't know what the hell, I probably would have ended up as a coach or… or some damn thing. But I felt that this is the place for me, California, because of the athletes. That brought me to California, yeah.