About the collapse [of a star] there had been a good paper already by Arnett which followed the collapse until about, oh a millisecond, one-thousandth of a second before complete collapse. I should mention that the collapse takes about a second, and you have to imagine the mass which is collapsing is about the mass of a white dwarf, and what happens is that this central core of the big star reaches the Chandrasekhar Limit of Stability just as it exists in a white dwarf, about one-and-a-half solar masses. Now Arnett had done it very well, but he as well as many other people, especially Colgate at Los Alamos laboratory, had thought that the collapse stops at the density maybe one-tenth the density of nuclear matter. Well Brown and I found out this was impossible, there is nothing to stop collapse as long as the only force you have available is the Fermi pressure of the electrons in the star, the pressure which... which sustains the white dwarf. You have to get another force into play, and the best force you have available of course is the nuclear force. But a nuclear force will come in only when you get beyond the density of normal nuclei. When you get beyond that density, then of course you create pressure and that pressure increases very rapidly as you go beyond nuclear density. So Gerald Brown and I and two other people investigated this, concluded that you had to go way beyond nuclear density, maybe three times, four times, before you could stop that in-fall, and then you could stop the in-fall of the... of the matter outside. However, we also thought that this would be sufficient to give you a rebound which then would expel the outside of the star.