[RV] You talk about your mother’s wonderful walks, or driving around and observing your mother’s absorption, as it were. And I remember taking wonderful walks with her through… through Geneva, where she just… it was just fun and also you learned a lot. I also remember this one example again, parallel, where… we were… I was in as a kid, maybe I was only seven or so and we were… I was in New York with my father driving down Seventh Avenue in a taxi, and… is it Seventh Avenue you go south, is that right? And it must have been that we drove to New York, because as the taxi was accidentally passing Penn Station, my father told the taxi driver, would you please pull aside here and let us off, we will be back in a moment. And my father took me through the… this is the old Penn Station, took me through the gallery that went to the Penn Station and there I saw this great baths of Caracalla. Do you remember Penn Station in those days, were you…?  Did you know it?

In the ‘50s.

[RV] Well, it was just, you know, one of the great spaces of the… in the United States, and that… I was just thrilled. I mean, I just was amazed and I never forgot it. And that is sort of typical again. My father would point out things, things in that way that were architectural and so that, I think, had a big influence on me and was… made my life rich.