[RV] Well, I did enjoy writing an essay on… which was anti-visionary, which emphasized… which analysed my lack of… a lack of interest in or admiration for people who were being explicitly visionary. And in that article I emphasize that being visionary is something that is accidental, that is incidental. You don’t try to be visionary. The name of the title… the name of the article was The Vision Thing – Why It Sucks. And, I think, I had great fun analysing how being visionary is incidental.  I can’t say any more than that at this moment but anybody who is interested should refer to… to the article and I think it is relevant for now, because I think an awful lot of current thinking about architecture and sort of decadent Modernism in architecture in our field does involve the kind of pretentious attitude towards being visionary.  I am visionary, I am ahead.  Don’t try to be ahead. The way to be ahead is to not try to be ahead but try to be appropriately for now and for the immediate future… than being appropriate for the immediate future… will be… will automatically happen.

[DSB] I remember one of the well-known Postmodernist architects faced with a reduction in market for his services, announced that he had gone to India and in India, he said, ‘I had an epiphany’.

[RV] Oh my God.

[DSB] And he came back no longer a Postmodernist.

[RV] God.

[DSB] Well, it’s just that kind of specious quality that we’re reacting to.

[RV] We really don’t like – down with epiphanies.