[Q] Now, you’ve had a brother-in-law who’s a CIA person.

My sister, yes. He was... when I went around the world in 1961, he was Station Chief in Phnom Penh, and he was opposed to the war. He was against Americans being in any country in which they couldn’t bribe the enemy. So, we’re still in the Philippines and do not ask whether we’re bribing certain people, but, so he was very much a... what was the word? ‘spheres of influence’... his...Hans Morgenthau, the German-born political scientist, sort of, before Henry Kissinger. So, Bob was a student of his, so... and Hans had told Bob that CIA was a much better job than the state department if you want to get anything done, so he was the one that, you know, would just... and my sister, and they had a fight, he just joined the agency and disappeared for four years. So, then, came back and asked her to marry him. But you know, it was four years spent on the offshore islands of, you know, fighting the Chinese communists, but he spoke Chinese. I mean he was a real expert then, you know. You know, he was one of these people, you know, you don’t fight wars that you can’t win. So, he was very bright and my mother thought my sister was marrying a Republican, but he was actually a Democrat. That was a sort of scary moment, but he was very careful not to seemingly reveal his views.

[Q] I won’t ask any more questions.

And my sister never told, you know, her family that she was marrying into the agency. We did know she had to get a security clearance before she could be married, a very wise thing. I mean, you know, in a sense, some people are just born communists.