My lab at Harvard sort of went on till ’76 with Wally, though in ’74, so I had, and I brought down a couple of the new graduate students from Harvard who wanted to work on tumor viruses. One of them Rex Risser became very good, and then he died of a heart attack early in life, so he got a job with McArdle in Wisconsin. No, I went to Cold Spring Harbor in ’68, that was “The Double Helix” came out, and in a true sense I didn’t have a lab at Harvard. You know, I had one, but I wasn’t, I didn’t think of ‘my’ experiments, you know, it was the group’s experiments, and just gradually into another level, instead of doing science with your students. Having a science that interests you, done now by young staff members. So, as long as I controlled, in a broad sense, what were the experiments done, running a lab would just be, I didn’t want to write. You know, I wrote some of the first big grant applications, the sort of centre grants for Cold Stream Harbor Joe and I, but I was raising big sums of money, but I didn’t want a grant. And, I didn’t, you know, oversee the, I had a lab at Harvard for 20 years. So, you know, that was long enough and so I was, you know, I became a manager of science. You know, I was managing a baseball team filled with stars, and you know, how do you deal with them?