He was my model for the laboratory I started with the hackers; that is, I didn’t hire people to do jobs, I hired people who had goals, and… were already inventing… if somebody had invented two or three really new kinds of programs, I’d gobble them up and… my way of hiring people after that was… we had a lot of money from the Office of Naval Research because of Licklider, who had gone to Washington and started this thing called ARPA. So he sent me a lot of money, and if I… so I was… what I was able to do is, if somebody sent a message or a letter – because there was no ARPANET yet – they’d say: 'I’m interested in this', and I’d say: 'Well, why don’t you come here and see how you like working here?' And somebody would come for a week or two. We’d pay them, [sic] enough to live on, and then they’d go away if they didn’t hit it off. I don’t remember ever making a decision to tell someone to go away; it’s really very bizarre, but this was a self-energizing community, these hackers had their own language, they could get things done in three days that would take a month, and if somebody appeared who had the talent, the magic touch, they would fit in.