The thing that amazed me is this completely different relationship that you kept... one kept going with people you had flown with... you know? And there are very few... I mean, I get now letters from a Canadian pilot who enlisted in Canada, and he was in 609, but the courage of some of these people is unbelievable. He was... he joined 609 Squadron quite a time before me, because he flew a Hurricane from the deck of a convoy ship, you know. And all they did, they had a sort of catapult, and when a German aircraft or something came over the deck or a submarine, they were catapulted into the air. But they... you know, they either had to bale out, which was dangerous enough, or they had to ditch the plane and come out that way, and that's what they did. And then, instead of having had enough, you know, of having had to ditch the plane, he joined 609 Squadron, and after three or four weeks he was shot down over France, and we didn't know what had happened to him, because normally you followed somebody down. And he was picked up by the French Resistance and lived in Paris in quite great style and was in a film by the Germans as a... French... you know, extra, or something like that, until they found him out and then he was shoved into one of the concentration camps. But there was… the war was nearly over by that time.

And so this is the… but you know, I would have never had that courage, you know, first of all flying from a bloody boat, knowing that you can't get back because, you know, baling out is not that… we didn't have ejector seats.