I mean, it was inconceivable that I would not go to college. I mean… it was just... in our family, everybody went to college. And there were PhDs and, you know, it was just… there wasn't… it wasn't even an issue. I mean, if I said I didn't want to go to college, I mean, I probably would have been locked up somewhere. So the only question was where should I go to college. And my father was a graduate of the University of Syracuse, so I went to visit the University of Syracuse and actually was signed up as a future member of the Jewish fraternity where my father used to sell apples and oranges to pay his way through college when he went there. So I was signed up to go to there. Didn't particularly want to go to Syracuse, for various reasons. I'd had enough of upstate New York. I heard about a programme at Swarthmore, which had a very good fellowship that you would get, which would pay your way for all the years, which would have been a help to my family, so I applied for it, I became a finalist, I went up there and was interviewed. One of the questions that was asked me was what sort of person would be helpful to philanthropy. And I said rich people. They thought that was very funny. I didn't think it was that funny. And then I went to a track meet and a Swarthmore person won some event and women came out of the stands and crowned him with laurel wreaths. Oh God, I don't want to go here. This...this... as Ellington would have put it, it was much too kissy for me. So I applied to Harvard, and my father's youngest brother had done graduate work at Harvard. He said, 'Well, don't go to Harvard, because there's a lot of anti-Semitism there and you won't be very comfortable. You won't enjoy it at all.' But I applied, as did my best friend in high school. And maybe other people in the high school, I don't know. He was first in the class, I was somewhere in the class. I had a lot of extracurricular activities, obviously.