Yes, it's... it can be very serious and it can be quite ridiculous. And I've written books like The Professor of Desire where it's pretty serious, and then I've written books like Portnoy's Complaint where it's quite... where the situation, the sexual situation, is quite ridiculous. And... and then in Sabbath's Theater where it's both serious and ridiculous. For instance, to... to skip to Sabbath's Theater and the death scene I mentioned earlier, Drenka is dying of cancer in a hospital. She's near the end. Sabbath goes to see her... it's... their affair is a secret, but he goes to the hospital to see her when he knows her husband isn't visiting. And she is hallucinating from morphine and he sees the whole situation, the... the drainage bags, what she looks like, how... how she begins to hallucinate and then at some... at some point she has an accent, she has a Serbo-Croatian accent, that's where she came from, she came from Yugoslavia.

And she says, she reminds Sabbath on her deathbed about the time they pissed on each other in a brook and the brook was in the woods, and the woods was a place they went because they could be alone there. And... the woods of a very wooded area. And a stream ran through and in... in that stream, they... they pissed on each other. And she reminds him while she's dying, of this. And she... tells him how she felt when they were doing it. And then she says, 'How did you feel?' And he tells her, that really he wasn't as... though it was his idea... he wasn't as good at it as she was. And it goes on for three or four pages and it's a very touching scene. But what are they talking about? The ludicrousness of one person pissing on another person, you know. So I love that scene to this day. I think it's as good a death scene – deathbed scene – as... as I can write, because I found the right wrong topic for them to be talking about. The right wrong topic.