The Humbling was followed by Nemesis, which is about another strong fellow who gets destroyed.  And I suppose that's what they all have in common.  A strong fellow, whether he's a young fellow or a middle-aged fellow, a strong fellow gets knocked over, gets destroyed.  And... by some cataclysm.  And what the stories have in common is the cataclysm.  And what they have in common – I realised when I wrote the last one – is they each... each character faces his nemesis that was just... that was on his tail after him, he can't.. that he can't elude.  He cannot shake off and he cannot elude it.  And so, here are four more men of different ages brought down.  If you... if you like that kind of stuff, I give it to you. 

This also happens in American Pastoral, it also happens in... in I Married a Communist, it also happens in Human Stain.  Strangely, it doesn't happen to Mickey Sabbath in Sabbath's Theater.  He's already down.  You know that folk song, it goes, 'I've been down so long it look like up to me'.  Well, that's Mickey Sabbath, you know.  So when you think of all these heroes as though they were real people you knew, if you want to, the one who isn't knocked over is the one who is most cynical, most isolated, most despised... most despised, and yet he's not destroyed.  So what that adds up to, I don't know.  I don't know.