In March, end of March, beginning of April, our number came up. My grandparents left in February. We left at the beginning of April. And in order to get…

[Q] That was you and Lewis?

Lewis and [I] left in… that’s right. Lewis and [I] left in April. And I remember this vividly as yesterday, going to the train station to take a train to Antwerp… I’m sorry, to Brussels, where my aunt and uncle, who were from Vienna but much more affluent than us, had escaped to. They had a small apartment there, and we stayed with them for a day or two until we were ready to leave to Antwerp from where the ship left.

As we got onto the train, my parents, particularly my mother, had such confidence. I was never in any way frightened. I had the feeling everything would work out all right. I would soon see her. On the train officers came through, and asked whether we had any jewelry with us. I knew that they were going to come through, I’d been told that, and had a small ring that my parents had given me, with my initials on it and I had hidden it in my pocket. And when they came through, I did not reveal this, but I was terrified. I was sure they would somehow realize that I was hiding something, but fortunately they didn’t. So I quaked quietly, and survived.

We then took the SS Geroldstein, and I still have the list of all the passengers in that ship in this room. And it was like a nine-day voyage to the United States. And I remember I quite enjoyed the trip, but my brother was terribly seasick, was below deck most of the time. And when we came here, we were met both by - we arrived in Hoboken - we were met both by my grandparents, and by my uncle and aunt. And my grandparents had a small apartment on 1119 Coney Island Avenue and we stayed with them. And when my parents came they also joined us in that apartment.