And the problems that had... that my teachers had talked about at film school were still present in Hollywood, meaning everything was kind of down at the heels still, and entrenched, and technically could be better. So it was a fascinating, almost an anthropological venture for me, to be in that environment. I remember one time I went to... I was working in the sound effects department and I went to see Al Ruddy, who was one of the producers of the film, and he had an office diagonally across the studio from where I was working. I went and talked to him about whatever the issue was, and I came back and this same Howard Beals, the head of the sound effects department, who you know, we liked each other very much, he pulled me into the room and said, 'Whenever you go outside of this building, make sure you're holding something in your hands.' And I said, 'But I was just going to talk to Al Ruddy about the schedule.' 'Doesn't matter', he said, 'it can be an empty box. But make sure you have something in your hands.' 'Why?' I said. 'Because that son of a bitch', and he pointed up at a structure that was like a guard's tower at a penitentiary prison, 'because that son of a bitch is looking at all of us. And if he sees somebody walking around the studio without anything in their hands, you're going to get a phone call asking, why are you wasting time walking around the studio when you should be in your galley pulling on an oar?' And that person was the head of postproduction at Paramount, Paul Haggar, who sadly passed away, as has Howard Beals. But he was a stern taskmaster to a crew at the studio whom he always believed were trying to outwit and fleece him, and not do creative hard work. So that was the kind of environment that we found ourselves in.