I actually have another list, which is 'Perils to survive'. And these are not exactly things that I want to do, but are sort of ones that I want to have behind me. Like being divorced is on the list.

[Q] Appendicitis?

Yes. Or surviving a big earthquake is on the list. Those are my undone ones, but I've got a few, like a plane crash, which... although the plane crash is sort of in the halfway point. It's not really I want to be in a plane crash, but I'd like to have survived a plane crash, just to not worry about it anymore. The closest I came to a plane crash was a very strange thing. I actually got hurt in a plane crash, but I was on the ground. So I was flown... flew into St George, Utah in a Baron, which is a twin engine plane, and we were refuelling and I went over to look at the plane next to it, which was also a Baron. And you know how when you're in an airport and planes are coming down and it looks like they're going to land on you? So I looked up and I thought, 'That's funny, it's just amazing how they look like they're going to land on you.' And I realised: it is going to land on me! And I jumped as fast as I could, I didn't have time. I started to run away, but I realised I wouldn't get away fast enough, so I just jumped, because the wings were coming down. And it went right over me and it smashed into the plane that I looked at and it smashed into the next plane. It destroyed three planes. And I actually hurt my knee. It's been hurt ever since then. I was fine, all the planes were out of gas. It crashed because it was out of gas. So there was no flame, so I was very fortunate in that, but my knee has never been the same since. And it was a very strange feeling, because I was perfectly okay. I mean, the person who was flying the plane wasn't, but except for this minor knee injury. But somehow it felt like something big had happened and I should learn some big lesson from this, but I could never figure out what it was. And for a long time I just went around looking up a lot. You sort over-learn from a situation like that.

But yes, perils to survive are things like: getting lost in the wood, being robbed at gunpoint, breaking a limb, going through bankruptcy, surviving a tornado, getting sued, so... A lot of those are not so pleasant at the time, but they're good to have done.

[Q] You made it this far without being sued?

No, no, no, no. Those are in the done category. I've never lost a suit, but yes. No, those are all in the done. I went bankrupt. Of course, I didn't personally go bankrupt, but Thinking Machines went bankrupt. That's an experience to survive. Totalling a car. Actually, that's a... that was a strange story.