I also... It's a little bit frightening because there was a war going on and there were several times where somebody would come driving down the dirt road, usually a Land Rover which was the preferred vehicle... We had a little VW Bug, a Beetle. But other people had Land Rovers. And they would come down and run into the house and talk to my parents and my parents would say, we have to evacuate, the soldiers are coming. And we would drive across the border to Rwanda, Burundi, sometimes all the way to Kenya, and wait it out. And then would come back after things were a little bit better.

And that just became kind of a habit. But my parents were very worried, they didn't tell us much about it. And then I remember the last time that it happened I kind of realised it was the last time. My parents I think were more frightened and they were like... I think they maybe told us just grab... Because they said, get in the car right away, and we had these little cardboard suitcases. And I remember looking around and realising this is probably the last time I was going to be in this beautiful place that I loved so much. And the place was near enough to these volcanoes in the Rwenzori that you could see the volcanoes glowing at night sometimes and there was lava all over the place. So I picked up a piece of lava off the driveway and I had a pet chameleon. And I picked up my pet chameleon and I got into the car with my chameleon and my lava. And my brother and sister got in the car, and I remember knowing like we were leaving forever. We had all these beautiful things that people had made for us in the jungle, all these toys and things like that, we just abandoned everything.