Man… Man was at that time in Paris, you know, he was just somebody who was so quiet and gentle but at the same time he did… in a dialogue that we had… that if somebody's talking about the fine art, contemporary art, whatever, and they don't know what the hell they're talking about and then I go and I whack him hard. That's come from Man Ray, but I'll take care of the bastard, you know? And stuff like that. But he was a sweet man. Sweet. The problem with Judy… Julie, the wife. But if there was any liquor in the neighborhood, that liquor would be demolished because Julie would take care of it. Then she got so damn drunk that we had to carry her, you know? Man Ray never touched liquor, he never touched liquor. And he never screamed at her or he never scolded her, you know, when all of a sudden, we realized that she's getting pretty drunk, you know? Then we put a stop to get the liquor from her. But otherwise she was a nice person. But with Man [Ray], he was just there and he was with you. And yet at that time he wasn't selling but they still made some living and I think they had some people also help them make a living because Man didn't sell but he had a nice studio in the heart of Paris. So all that was good but there was no income, you know? But they had enough friends that, to a degree, the friends took care of Man Ray and Julie. So… so they had a friend down here in Malibu, a very good friend. So when Julie came out here she always stayed with them. And then they wanted me to take her to some parties. Well, no, no way. I'm not going to take her to a party, she's going to get drunk on me, then what the hell I gonna do? But she was a nice person and a smart person, a tiny person and a very elegant person, but once the liquor got going, then that was the end of Julie, you know? But I never heard Man Ray that he would scold her or say something, you know? He never, he never did that, he just let her run as she felt like it. So anyway, then they moved out here and then they passed away.

So Julie was out here, stayed with her friends. And so then they called me to take her to a party. I said, 'No way'. As much as I like her, just for the sake of Man, you know? Because if she gets drunk on me, I have a big problem, you know? And no thank you. And I think she was a little bit aware of that and resented that aspect of it. But that's life, you know? So that's Julie. Great people. They were very special but very poor, very poor. He didn't have that kind of accolades. After Man Ray died, he was selling like crazy, he was selling like crazy. And, you know, all of a sudden people say, 'Oh'!