I think the next film was Icarus Montgolfier Wright. Because that was still, it was done in the industry but it was totally mine. And it was very interesting with Herb [Herbert Klynn] because Herb and I, you know, were very close and all that. And he knew it all, you know? So he was away when I did the film and that was a good thing that he wasn't around because then he would have been getting in my way. So when he came back from his trip, he'd been in London, he wanted to see the film. And he saw the film and he couldn't move a frame. He couldn't take out a frame, he couldn't put a frame in the damn thing and I think that I surprised the hell out of him because he was a little bit too heavy on 'I know it all', you see? And although we were dear friends, I mean, he was like my brother, or whatever. But he was pushing, he was pushing me in a direction that I was not happy with. But I liked him and we've been together all those years. So this brought us more... But it was one of those damn things when the father wants to see what the son is doing and the son is doing so well that the father say, 'Oh shit, what the...? He's good, you know? But he couldn't change a frame. It must have hurted him for years. As good friends as we were, still, he was the father.