So then what happened, after Ann Arbor I then took another Greyhound bus and went all the way to California, which was what the Commonwealth Fund required me to do. I had at least to see California. So I showed up in Berkeley and I didn't know any physicists in Berkeley, so I simply stayed around there for a couple of weeks. And the most memorable thing that happened, there was a young fellow who was lecturing about non-violence, which was a subject that I was deeply interested in, and his name was Martin Luther King. And I'd never heard of him, but I went to hear him lecture and he was just so wonderful that I was deeply impressed with him. That was before he became famous. And otherwise I read the autobiography of Nehru and various other good books.

[Q] And you stayed in Berkeley or you stayed in San Francisco?

No, I stayed at Berkeley at the International House where the students are put up, so it was good time, but I don't think I had any contact with the physicists there, as far as I remember.

[Q] But you went into San Francisco and you looked at the town?

I must have, but San Francisco didn't make much impression on me. The place that made really the deep impression was Salt Lake City on the way back.

[Q] The Mormons?

Yes, the Mormon valleys, these wonderful Mormon temples with the green valleys around them, which looked like Switzerland and that I found much more to my taste than San Francisco.