We had... I was imitating Cambridge where, you know, we'd always have morning coffee, so you'd be talking, we had a seminar room, and the seminar room was where you came together and talked. Wally and I didn't have lunch together. You know, he was always more, Wally was doing experiments and, you know, I was doing academic politics trying to get him promoted or more space, so Wally never really was good at... I would say, at being a boss. He was very good at being brighter than anyone else but not as sort of... you know, he didn't think like an Irish politician or he didn't... that you sometimes have to give favors, you know, what the hell.

Sue used to say, 'Wally should we help you because Wally's very good'. Well, life doesn't go that way. So Paul Doty and I, you know, managed to get Wally into a biology lab which inherently didn't really want us, but Harvard at least had the good tradition you're supposed to appoint the best person. You could say Wally was the best. So, Harvard has given that up. I think it used to be that you had to say the person you're appointing is among the best three people in the world. Now they say, 'Oh, that's unrealistic', but that's because they've been misusing their endowment and have... not paying people enough. You always get the best people if you just keep raising the money.