We have to go south and... so, we moved slowly and that's, you know, it's described in my book, I Had Nowhere to Go. Our journey from Flensburg, the border of Denmark down to the south to the Bavaria. It was a long and, I mean, trip to the post-war, immediate post-war Germany when Nazi was running. We only saw the ruins and disaster and that's when we settled in Wiesbaden. And that's where we stayed for some time and, and joined... already it was an American, what they call it, an American zone and then we signed up to study at the University of Mainz which was across the river Rhine, right next to Wiesbaden and that's where our university, that's where, like a break, complete different life begins. That's, I consider that my university was post-war Europe, was Germany and that when I came here it was already my... beginning to work. My childhood was in Lithuania, my university was Europe and because those four years in displaced person camps... four years... was my university where we could read. There was a lot of time, we read everything we, you can imagine that between the Soviet occupation, the German occupation, the whole war period, nothing was available from the west, from, nobody, we were so thirsty and like a dry sponge drinking everything that we could find after the war, you know, the whole American literature, the French, it was an incredible, incredible rich period for those who want, who were ready and wanted it. And of course still, when we came in the fall of '49 to New York, that was another, another treasury, another that you could not even find in post-war Europe which was, you know, still post-war Europe. And here, you know, there was no, no post-war, it was just America, just New York.