I think most... most novelists relish the details, relish the individual line, relish the three lines of description. All the stuff that's never spoken about in... in reviews and so on – never mentioned – is where the writer's passion for thoroughness resides. There are... there were novelists who... whose passion wasn't for thoroughness, if you think of [Albert] Camus and The Stranger. It's... it's very austere, it's very slender. And... and then on the other hand there are the books rich with detail and it's your delight marshalling all the detail and finding a way of expressing it. It's... maybe it goes back to Ulysses, maybe the modern writer's education in detail begins in Ulysses. Joyce was passionate about them, had to have every detail right, and that's more or less the way I... I feel and most of the novelists I value feel.