My contacts from the very beginning of arriving to New York has been covering all of those different aspects, not only the avant-garde, which you could see at, what's known as experimental at Cinema 16, but I went to the, at the same time, to Club Cinema, on 6th Avenue and 10th Street, which was run a by sort of left-wing people and showing and even published a little, well, irregular publication called Film Sense, by Howard Lawson and, you could call them communist, but they were a sort of left, extreme left people, running extreme, film... for every Saturday night, for people, films of social sort of significance, if they were narrative films then it would be like Kameradschaft or something like that; I went there. And the different group, William Everson who came out from London to New York and very early started running what he called Theodore Huff Society, old films, very old that you could not see anywhere else, silent of various formats, formats that made 16-35 that did not exist any more, like 19 and-a-half, 16, but it was also 19 and-a-half or, I think, 19 and-a-half, and he had projectors dug out somewhere and he was running those films and they were some 20 people, very strange people very often, watching those films because you could not see them anywhere else but I was there. So, I was, you know, it was the same when – this is the daughter of Rumpole, Shiva, is her name – so I was interested in all of the different branches of that tree that is called cinema.