When we presented the first issue, the printing bill was not even paid, so we go, for the next issue and then we see where... where can we get breaks like that that you can publish and not pay. It was a very nice scheme. I knew somebody in the Franciscan Monastery in Brooklyn and I knew they had a printing shop so they printed it, they printed it. And then they said, 'Where is the money?' so we received you know, Franciscan monks... the monastery sued us, you're mugs, you shouldn't, you're holy people, how can you sue us? You shouldn't sue us. So, of course, we had to pay, we found the money. But my... some of my Editorial Board, members of my Editorial Board with the third issue had a meeting and said, 'You really have no money? We thought you had money. How can you publish?' That was Hendriks, a bright person, he did a great book on Hepperstein[?], the painter, he's a historian, art and film historian and music which is, 'How... you invited me to be on the Board and you have no money to publish at least four or five issues?' I said, if I would have told that to my, you know, colleagues here, none of them would have been on the Board and we wouldn't have the magazine. He resigned, he resigned that day at that meeting because we had no money. If I would have waited that we have money we wouldn't, there would be no Film Culture.