I've also had, you know, a show in Venice Biennale, I participate... and that's again, you see, Venice Biennale, the part in which I participated was the Utopia Station, and which there was some 20 other artists curated by... [Molly] Nesbit and then, and Hans Ulrich Obrist. So there I had a three monitors. One monitor I myself goes up talking on the subject of Utopia and, of course, I don't believe in Utopia, I took a stand against Utopia, I have lived in some of those Utopia and know what how they, what they are. And then another monitor showed Soho, the artists' Utopia, and what became of that Utopia and became a business Utopia, and then the third monitor is Williamsburg, Brooklyn. Art... which begins several parts, one as Immigrants Utopia, I filmed a lot in the world in 1950, 1951 and then as, an artist Utopia on verge becoming again business Utopia. So that's that.
So, I don't know, I'm not sure why I'm doing that, doing that, but when, when people ask me to like, like when Ulrich asked me to participate on this project I found it challenging and interesting to talk on the topic of Utopia in the context of Venice Biennale, so why not? So I did it. But again something that nobody here is interested in that aspect of my work and it's totally unknown. So, that's why... is developing and growing, that aspect is developing and growing.