During that summer I had... I was going to go across to… I'd spent the summer in Cold Spring Harbor; I met up with Jim, and there was the annual phage meeting. And in fact Seymour was called away at that time because of the illness of one of his children, and I gave his paper at that meeting in which I discussed all the things. And of course I got a lot of… of flak from people for the simple reason no one understood what all of this was about. But that's where I also met Leó Szilárd, at the time, who… another remarkable man, who came to meetings; it used to be said with Leó that all you did is go to one place and wait there and sooner or later he would turn up. So I met him there and he was the first person that I'd met from this… from the more physics basis who had become interested in biology following the... following the war and we started to have many conversations.