No, curiously enough I don’t remember the first time I met Jim, no. I do remember going home and Odile saying Max - that’s Max Perutz - was around… around here with a young American and you know what, he had no hair, I mean he had a crew cut. It was the first time she’d seen a crew cut. So, that’s the first time Odile must… must’ve… have seen him and I must have seen him very shortly afterwards, but I don’t remember the actual introduction. I don’t see why one should; it would be no notably special thing in first contact. It was only after we’d talked for some days or a week or so, I think, or probably quite soon that we realised how common our interests were and how different our backgrounds were, you see. Because, he didn’t know anything about crystallography by which time I’d known a certain amount – how to solve crystal structures by x-ray diffraction – and I didn’t know much about the phage group which he knew about and all… a lot of the people in America that I had read about, he knew personally. So, we did have different backgrounds, but we had the same interests. We… we both thought that finding the structure of the gene was the key problem whereas my… my two colleagues, Perutz and [John] Kendrew, were merely keen on getting protein structure, they weren’t interested in genes, as such. Of course, they were interested in genes in a general sense, but it wasn’t part of their daily work. Nor was it of mine. It was… it was, you know, done on the side, you might say.