I don't know, I was almost always part of... part of one gang or another and they were usually... they weren't the tough gangs, you know. The... the immigrant children would have very, really quite... quite tough gangs and some of these guys really were very tough. But I was never the leader of any of... of this thing, and we moved frequently as I said, you know, as... as we sort of went up the scale and each time you moved, then you had to fight the... the gang there. You had to have a fight — fist fight — with somebody and I was always terrified of this; I... I'd become so... so christianized and... and, you know, my mother's manners and so forth, that... that I... I would go to great lengths to avoid a fight. But finally I would have to... have to fight some guy and I usually did pretty well, now that I — to my utter amazement — but it never made it any easier I must say. It's very hard... it was always very hard for me to hit anybody hard enough to... to have any effect, I mean, I... I simply have restraints against that. I have... I have been in situations and — later — where something like that would come up and my... I would see my fists going all around somebody's face, but I couldn't hit them. You know, I... I just have a... a resistance against that kind of violence. I... I don't do it well so I decided to quit doing it.