That film, The Clown, had a very good cast. There was Helmut Griem who played the clown himself, then Hanna Schygulla played his girlfriend and Eva Maria Meineke played his mother. Hans Christian Blech played Hanna Schygulla's father, who runs a small tobacconist shop. And Heinrich Böll came down a couple of times and whenever Griem would ask him advice, he used to say, 'Look, for me this is a bit old hat, ask the director'. And there was one occasion when... We got quite friendly. Kate was there, as she always was on location. Not all the time, but quite a lot of the time. We got invited to dinner one day by Böll, and he said, 'Come to dinner, we're celebrating'. And I said, 'Oh lovely, where shall we go?' We decided a certain restaurant, you know, and then I said, 'By the way, what are we celebrating?' And he said, 'My doctor is dead'. And apparently, his old doctor, the one who died, had said to him for heart condition, whatever he suffered from, he said: no alcohol. And the new doctor had said, 'Well, I don't know, I don't think we have to be quite as severe as all that, in moderation', and Böll said, 'Well, what does that mean?' And he said, 'Well, let's say not more than a bottle a day'. Böll promptly produced one, sort of, three-litre bottle of red wine. But he was a very nice man, Heinrich Böll, very nice man. As was Jasny.