And then I made a second film in Berlin, also in black and white, three years later, which was called Engel aus Eisen, The Iron Angel, and that was based on a actual incident which happened during the blockade, when the airlift was on. There was a gang of youths who were staging fairly spectacular robberies. And the leader... oh no, the name's gone out of my head again. The leader of this particular gang was the hero of this. Well, if you call it that, the main protagonist of this film. But we had a... Yes, Gladow, his name is Gladow. There was a real Gladow, so in the film he's called something else, but it's based on the real Gladow, who was this leader of this band of youths who committed some robberies during that period.

The first problem with that film was the cast, because we had to find half a dozen or eight young men between the ages of, say, 16 and 22, to play the gang. And it was almost impossible. In England it would've been a doddle. It would've been terribly, terribly easy. In America too, but not in Germany. In Germany, anybody who's had any acting training immediately behaves like they have to declaim their lines. They cannot play plumbers and electricians and gang members. They're much too theatrical. They are incredibly theatrical. It's a real problem. We went through dozens and dozens and dozens of people before we found somebody who could play that part, but only just. Because, in the end, even he had to be dubbed because he looked all right, but he had this high tinny voice, so he had to be... the whole thing had to be dubbed.