I've involved the patient in... you know, saying, 'Can we come in, you know, what do you think about this, is the pain getting better?' and sort of batting around but not in a more formal- but they can teach you about, about how to – I remember a chap with tetanus – because I used to look after the ventilators before the intensive care phase started- and he was a young footballer. He was, thank goodness, basically a very healthy chap. He was on a ventilator for 17 days and he didn't even get a chest infection. We were very proud. I mean, we thought it was... it was marvellous actually, but it was probably mainly because he was young and healthy. So we showed him in a clinical meeting and somebody, as you know, after the first bit of time he was conscious or nearly conscious but ventilated, but couldn't talk and he said... they said, one of the doctors wanted to know how he felt about this. 'What did you feel about there was all this going on and you, you couldn't say?' He said, 'Well', he was quite a jokey chap, he said this all in front of the clinical meeting, he said, 'Well, what happened is Dr Lambert', I don't think I was a professor then, 'used to come in every morning and he used to rub his stethoscope on his white coat' – it was winter – 'and he'd listen to me all over and we'd have, he'd talk about it in discussion, and one day he came in and he said, 'That valve's making a funny noise', and I thought, that valve, that's my life. And, and it was a wonderful lesson, wonderful lesson to everybody. You'd remember that, wouldn't you? And that kind of thing can come out very well, I think.

[Q] Yes, yes, yes.