Between "Psychiatry in Russia" and my experience with Drew, Pennebaker and Leacock in "Primary", I know that at least one film I helped to make; a film of the travels of St Paul through Turkey and Greece. I was the cameraman on that. And when we got finished filming in Turkey, including places like Tarsus where St Paul was born and also going out and filming all the way East of Mount Ararat, a tourist promoting film that we made for the Turkish Government, I thought- in sort of some kind of crazy romantic way it would be interesting, exciting, to swim the Hellespont the way Lord Byron had done centuries before. And so when we got to Canakkale on the North West Coast of Turkey I jumped into the water and- in no way a skilful swimmer but a very determined one- I swam the Hellespont and Charlie Sharp, the guy that I was working with, he handled the camera from a rowboat with a Naval Officer from the Turkish Government and filmed me.