So in 1961 or so when I left Drew Associates I got in touch with a guy who was making films independently and getting them shown on television. He was very skilful at that. Making films of- which were- Making films that were portraits of- Let's see- making films of portraits of interesting Americans. And I was asked if I would like to participate and to think up who it might be that I would like to film. So a friend of my brother's and I knew this guy Joe Levine who was a movie distributor, about to become famous because he was about to make a film with Sophia Loren and this would be a big moment in his career. With that sort of thing in mind we offered Mr. Wolper the distributor and the financier for the film- this opportunity but he wasn't interested and- Because we'd gone so far as to get all excited about filming this guy we went ahead and just made the film at our own expense. And it's a film that still hasn't been shown on television. If we can't get it shown then we'll put it on DVD with a number of other films that are wonderful films: the film of Muhammad Ali, for example, preparing for his last fight; and several others. A film of Orson Welles whom we met in 1963 not long after completing the film of "Showman", right? These are all films that should be shown and which will get shown on DVD and possibly on the Internet as well and perhaps even on PBS.